Anna Nicole Smith, Free Speech and The Real Chilling Effect
Those of us who have been following the investigations and subsequent lawsuits surrounding the deaths of Anna Nicole Smith and her son Daniel Wayne Smith have at one time or another been threatened with exposure to lawsuits, physical violence and other sundry unmentionable acts. At times, I have felt embarrassed, humiliated, angered, outraged, amused and frustrated. But lately the dominant emotion has been disbelief. Disbelief, that human beings can behave in a manner that I never imagined before joining the list of interested citizens reading and voicing my opinion on the subject.
Many have expressed their frustration over the perception that their fundamental right to free speech has been threatened and at times thwarted by persons involved in this whole mess of a media and legal circus. Most of these rants have no basis in fact or law and the problem is easily remedied by simply clicking on the “red x” in the corner and retiring with a good book. But not all the concerns expressed can be so casually dismissed. As tawdry and at times silly as some of this is, there are profound legal and moral issues involved.
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As soon as Mr. Lin Wood signed on as Howard K. Stern’s attorney, he issued a statement that many [at that time] believed was meant to intimidate the media and bloggers into silence. That’s a “chilling effect”.
Web sites such as RoseSpeaks and The Bald Truth started researching anyone who publicly uttered damaging information about Howard K. Stern. No one was off limits. Not even Mr. Ford Shelly’s child. These web sites then published that information no matter how irrelevant or immaterial the “uncovered” information was. As long as it was damaging to the person, it was fair game. That’s a “chilling effect”.
Back in September of 2007, about 20 to 30 regular posters on TMZ were banned en mass at the same time for no discernable reason. “Butterfly” posted a comment that she was asked to compile a list of names of those posters who were “anti-stern”. She said that she subsequently did so and, “poof” they were gone. That’s a “chilling effect”.
I know that Kerry and I were warned by Rose Turner after she misidentified us, that we were now “fair game” as limited public officials. That’s a “chilling effect”.
Both Mr. Harris and Ms. Turner published false information that the Magistrate presiding over the Bahamas inquest into the death of Daniel Smith had asked the public to identify themselves and that bloggers who did not do so might be arrested and sent to jail. The only motivation that I can even begin to imagine was that they did not want anyone to attend a public hearing into the death of an American citizen in a foreign country. That’s a “chilling effect”.
Mr. J. Nazarian, the private investigator for Mr. Howard K. Stern began to openly post comments on numerous websites read and visited by bloggers interested in the story. Suffice to say that his posts were not warm, fuzzy vignettes about life as a P.I. That’s a “chilling effect”.
Someone stole the contents of garbage cans from in front of the home of Wilma Vicedomine who is involved in Mrs. Arthur’s legal defense. Mr. Harris bragged that pictures of the garbage might soon be available via his website and Mr. Nazarian wrote about the contents in a post. That’s a “chilling effect”.
Professionals used their state licenses to obtain personal information and then posted that information on public message boards and internet sites. That’s a “chilling effect.”
But the one that bothers me the most is the constant refrain from Rose Turner, Art Harris, J. Nazarian and members of her site that “we have your IP information and we know who you are. That is not just a “chilling effect”. That’s an, I’m going to scared the hell out of you effect.
Kerry and I wanted to write an article titled “Share & Compare” exploring the possibility that information was exchanged between site owners and then turned over to legal representatives of Mr. Stern. We reached out to many of you and asked that you share your personal story with us. The response was overwhelming and frankly a bit frightening.
I was deeply troubled by the universal belief that an orchestrated attempt had been made to stifle free speech and to scare citizens into silence. Because so many of you took the situation so seriously, I decided to do no less. It was obvious that a short article was not going to suffice. So instead Kerry and I began to research, ask questions and prepare a detailed analysis of the issues involved.
I reached out to QV and asked if she would be willing to provide a forum to discuss what did and did not happen. What the legal ramifications are. Why it is important. And whether or not there is any available redress for those who feel victimized by this whole mess.
Hopefully we will all learn what the legal limits are. The moral limits are the responsibility of the individual.
Amendment 1 - Freedom of Religion, Press, Expression.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances. [1]
Freedom of Speech
The First Amendment of the Bill of Rights to the U.S. Constitution guarantees four freedoms: freedom of religion, speech, press and assembly. The Bill of Rights was ratified on December 15, 1791. With these words The Founding Fathers sought to establish a government under which its citizens could speak and write freely without fear of reprisal. The dictionary defines “speech” as “the faculty or act of expressing or describing thoughts, feelings, or perceptions by the articulation of words”[2]
The French Historian and writer, Voltaire famously articulated the philosophy behind the principle of free speech in the 1700’s with these words, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” Voltaire understood that if someone can be censored today for expressing an unpopular idea, then tomorrow you or I could suffer the same fate.
As early as 1644, John Milton spoke of the supreme significance of free speech in society when he said, “Give me the liberty to know, to utter, and to argue freely according to conscience, above all liberties.”[3]
In 1689 the English Parliament secured a Bill of Rights from the Monarchs William and Mary. One of the rights that they fought to obtain was the “freedom of speech in Parliament.” Under our Constitution that freedom was taken further and granted to all citizens.
George Washington himself addressed the issue of Free Speech stating,
“If the freedom of speech is taken away then dumb and silent we maybe led, like sheep to the slaughter.”
The fact that “freedom of speech” is contained in the first amendment to the Constitution is no accident. President Thomas Jefferson reaffirmed this principle in his inaugural address in 1801 stressing that censorship should never be used as a means to change pubic opinion. Instead he argued that Reason is the only legitimate tool.
“If there be any among us who would wish to dissolve this Union or to change its republican form, let them stand undisturbed as monuments of the safety with which error of opinion may be tolerated where reason is left free to combat it.”
In “The First Freedom,” Nat Hentoff quotes from a letter by Thomas Jefferson:
“I am really mortified that the sale of a book can become a subject of inquiry, and of criminal inquiry, too. Are we to have a censor whose imprimatur shall say what books may be sold and what we may buy? Whose foot is to be the measure to which ours are all to be cut or stretched?”
In an address to the Congress during World War II, President Franklin D. Roosevelt reiterated the importance of free speech. He spoke of his desire that the four freedoms articulated in the First Amendment to the Constitution be expanded and embraced throughout the world.
“We look forward to a world founded upon four essential human freedoms. The first is freedom of speech and expression-everywhere in the world.”
More recently Salman Rushdie fourth novel, “The Satanic Verses, published in 1988 led to violent protest in several Muslim countries and a fatwa issued against him by Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini, then the Supreme Leader of Iran. This religious edict called for Mr. Rushdie’s death and as a consequence he was forced to live in hiding for nearly a decade.[4] In spite of this, Mr. Rushdie is unwavering in his defense of Free Speech saying,
“Free speech is the whole thing, the whole ball game. Free speech is life itself.”
The Foundation of Free Speech in the Fight for American Independence
In order to understand how important the framers of the constitution and the courts viewed the right of anonymous speech one must look to the historical media prevalent at the time. Before the advent of electronic communications ideas and opinions were expressed through speeches, books and pamphleteering. .
Historically, a pamphlet is a small unbound booklet or leaflet comprised of a few pages loosely stitched together. They were brief and written in such a style that they were easily understood by the masses. They were sold very cheaply and used to disseminate information and as a means for the expression of opinions on the important issues of the day. Pamphlets usually had large printings and wide circulation. They could be read aloud, discussed and passed from one person to another. “Pamphlets became a significant means of mass communication and an essential vehicle for carrying on political debates in colonial America.”[5]
George Orwell a prolific pamphleteer wrote,
“The pamphlet is a one-man show. One has complete freedom of expression, including, if one chooses, the freedom to be scurrilous, abusive, and seditious; or, on the other hand, to be more detailed, serious and “high-brow” than is ever possible in a newspaper or in most kinds of periodicals…”[6]
Pamphleteering enjoyed its greatest success and popularity during the 17th and 18th centuries. Pamphlets were widely used as a means of political dissent and debate during the English Civil War and the American and French Revolutions. They were also a common tool employed to spread the ideas of the Enlightenment. During this time period writers such as Joseph Addison, Richard Steele, and Jonathan Swift produced numerous pamphlets. The French Revolution was fiercely debated among intellectuals in England; Edmund Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France 1790, a vehement denunciation of the revolt, was answered by Thomas Paine’s Rights of Man 1791-92, addressed to working people, which became the most widely read work of its time.[7]
“From pamphlets may be learned the genius of the age, the debates of the learned, the bevues of government, and mistakes of the courtiers. . . . they carry a reputation of wit and learning to allthat make them their companions.”[8]
It was in this form — as pamphlets — that much of the most important writings and ideas were disseminated during the American Revolution. The use of the pamphlet allowed one to do things that were not possible in any other form. They were used by many to express a heated personification of the larger conflicts and issues of the times. This would then result in a contentious serious of individual exchanges through pamphlets — arguments, replies, rebuttals, and counter-rebuttals. These characteristically proceeded with increasing shrillness until it ended in bitter personal vituperation. First and foremost, the American pamphleteers, were amateurs and it is this amateurism, this lack of practiced technique that explains much of the crudeness of the Revolutionary pamphlets.[9]
In 1776, American writer and human rights advocate Thomas Paine published a radical pamphlet called, ‘Common Sense’. This pamphlet is the most coherent statement to date of American independence views and historical scholars believe that its writing and dissemination changed the course of history in the United States.[10]
A very important feature of pamphleteering was that the author could remain anonymous if they chose to do so. Even if the writer(s) of the pamphlet claimed authorship of the document they could escape retaliation by the Crown and its representatives because of the ‘on the run’ nature of publishing that the pamphleteer employed. The role of anonymous pamphleteers in the building of our nation has been recognized by the highest court in the land.
“Anonymous pamphlets, leaflets, brochures and even books have played an important role in the progress of mankind.”[11]
Free Speech = Anonymous Speech
While most of us are aware from basic American Civic classes that the Constitution contains an amendment guaranteeing the right to free speech, when talking to many of you it was apparent that the right to “anonymous speech” was not fully understood by everyone. The tradition of anonymous speech is older than the United States. In fact, “…all of the Federalist Papers were signed by Publius, a pseudonym representing the trio of James Madison, Alexander Hamilton, and John Jay .”[12] Anonymity of speech is important because without it a person(s) would hesitate to say certain things or expose unpopular ideas for fear of retribution.
The courts have consistently upheld the concept that free speech and anonymous speech are bound together and protected under the constitution. Anonymous communications have an important place in our political and social discourse. The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment.
1919
The best test of truth is the power of the thought to get itself accepted in the competition of the market.” [13]
1974
Don’t underestimate the common man. People are intelligent enough to evaluate the source of an anonymous writing. They cansee it is anonymous. They know it is anonymous. They can evaluate its anonymity along with its message, as long as they are permitted, as they must be, to read that message. And then, once they have done so,it is for them to decide what is `responsible’, what is valuable, and what is truth.[14]
1978
“Inherent worth of the speech in terms of its capacity for informing the public does not depend upon the identity of its source, whether corporation, association, union, or individual.”[15]
1995
Protections for anonymous speech are vital to democratic discourse. Allowing dissenters to shield their identities frees them to express critical, minority views . . . Anonymity is a shield from the tyranny of the majority. . . . It thus exemplifies the purpose behind the Bill of Rights, and of the First Amendment in particular: to protect unpopular individuals from retaliation . . . at the hand of an intolerant society. [16]
1999
“People are permitted to interact pseudonymously and anonymously with each other so long as those acts are not in violation of the law. This ability to speak one’s mind without the burden of the other party knowing all the facts about one’s identity can foster open communication and robust debate.” [17]
Limits on Free Speech
United States First Amendment theoretically grants absolute freedom, placing the burden upon the state to demonstrate when (if) a limitation of this freedom is necessary.[18] The courts have ruled that both state and federal governments have the right to enact statues that limit certain narrowly defined types of speech but these limits are very specific and the courts have generally been reluctant to impede the free exercise of speech.
Unlike many other democracies the government in the United States of America is expressly forbidden from restricting speech. Court rulings that involve limitations on the free exchange of ideas and thoughts have broadly followed the philosophy that reason and free speech should prevail over fear and censorship.
“Fear of serious injury cannot alone justify suppression of free speech and assembly. Men feared witches and burned women. It is the function of speech to free men from the bondage of irrational fears.”[19]
Our society accords greater weight to the value of free speech than to the dangers of its misuse.[20]
Though government cannot regulate the content of speech it has an obligation to its citizens to provide remedy for parties that sustained injury as a result of such thing as defamation and hate speech. Through time the judicial system has developed a body of law to specifically address these issues. That is why suits such as defamation and libel are civil torts and not criminal. Laws regarding defamation only apply to specific individuals who have been victimized by the acts of others. The Courts have struggled to find a balance between the constitutional right to speak freely and anonymously with the right to secure legal redress through civil litigation.
Simply put if someone says something that isn’t true about another person and as a result of that false statement the person is “injured”, then that person has the right to seek legal redress through the court system. The courts will rule on liability and award money to address the damages incurred. In the context of what has been happening in this saga, it is of utmost importance to remember that a process has been established through the courts to address these issues precisely because of the value that the courts and society place on freedom of speech. Those that seek a way to circumvent the process do a great injustice to the very foundation of our constitution and the courts.
Free Speech on the Internet Where the internet is concerned case law is new, but the courts have held that the right to speak freely includes the liberty of anonymous speech on the Internet. Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, was the first major Supreme Court ruling regarding the regulation of materials distributed via Internet. The Court voted to strike down anti-obscenity provisions of the Communications Decency Act (the “CDA”), finding they violated the freedom of speech provisions of the First Amendment..[21] In an opinion written by Justice John Paul Stevens, the high court decided,
“Notwithstanding the legitimacy and importance of the congressional goal of protecting children from harmful materials, we agree with the three-judge district court that the statute abridges the freedom of speech protected by the First Amendment.”
The court further stated that a speaker on the Internet is the modern-day equivalent of a pamphleteer.
Through the use of [online] chat rooms, any person with a phone line can become a town crier with a voice that resonates farther than it could from any soapbox. Through the use of Web pages, mail exploders, and newsgroups, the same individual can become a pamphleteer.[22]
Other courts have also recognized and affirmed that the right to speak anonymously without retribution and censor extends to speech on the Internet. In ACLU v. Johnson the court extended the right to anonymous free speech to the Internet.[23] In a 2000 case the court stated that,
“To fail to recognize that the First Amendment right to speak anonymously should be extended to communications on the Internet would require this Court to ignore either United States Supreme Court precedent or the realities of speech in the twenty-first century” [24]
Although the case was later reversed on other grounds the court found in America Online, Inc, v Anonymous Publicly Traded Co. that, “Inherent in First Amendment protections is the right to speak anonymously in diverse contexts,” including on the Internet.” [25] America Online, Inc. v. Anonymous Publicly Traded Co., 2001 Va. LEXIS 38 (Va. S. Ct., Mar. 2, 2001)
The Constitution Also Protects Our Freedom of Association on the Internet. The ability to bring people together who share a common interest and to provide a means for them to communicate with each other is one of the most valuable tools that the Internet has provided to modern society. Message boards and chat rooms create a community or association of people and forum in which they can come together regardless of geographical locations the exchange and debates ideas in their common area of interest.
The Supreme Court has recognized the synergy of freedom of speech and assembly.
“[T]he practice of persons sharing common views banding together to achieve a common end is deeply embedded in the American political process. The 18th-century Committees of Correspondence and the pamphleteers were early examples of this phenomena and the Federalist Papers were perhaps the most significant and lasting example.[26]
The court ruled that the release of a membership list violated the constitutional right to freedom of association.[27] In Gibson v. Florida Legislative Investigation Committee the held unconstitutional a subpoena intended for us in discovery of alleged co-conspirators by compelling the release from the NAACP of its member’s identities. [28] The U.S. Supreme Court in Gibson affirmed the importance of protecting citizens from having their private associations disclosed through the use of a subpoena in a civil case.
It is particularly important that the exercise of the power of compulsory process be carefully circumscribed when [it] tends to impinge upon such highly sensitive areas of freedom of speech. . . freedom of . association, and freedom of communication of ideas.How does this apply to the current litigation and threats of litigation
We’ve already shown that the American tradition of protecting and honoring anonymous speech can be traced back to the Founding Fathers of our country through the use of pamphleteering and that the courts have ruled that the internet in analogous to that.
Many people chose to communicate their ideas and opinions on line using pseudonyms (assumed names) or anonymously (no name at all). “[T]he free exchange of ideas on the Internet is driven in large part by the ability of Internet users to communicate anonymously,”[29] yet in the internet we rely on Web sites or ISPs to protect our anonymity so when should our ISPs be turned over to a defendant or his attorney during the discovery process in civil litigation? Ann Beeson, Staff Counsel of the American Civil Liberties Union has stated that, “unless online anonymity is protected, whistleblowers who want to criticize their employers, parents who want to criticize the principal of their children’s school - and many others - may be afraid to speak out. That would be a loss for our country.”[30]
In terms of civil suits that would involve the “unmasking” of anonymous posters on the internet the courts have determined that strict procedural safeguards must be imposed “as a means of ensuring that plaintiffs do not use discovery procedures to ascertain the identities of unknown defendants in order to harass, intimidate or silence critics in the public forum opportunities presented by the Internet.”[31]
Following this procedure a litigant must first apply to the court for a subpoena seeking the identity of the individual whose statements are the subject of the suit. This safeguard was put in place because the courts found that, “Against the backdrop of First Amendment protection for anonymous speech, courts have held that civil subpoenas seeking information regarding anonymous individuals raise First Amendment concerns”.[32]
Accordingly, “the constitutional rights of Internet users, including the First Amendment right to speak anonymously, must be carefully safeguarded.”[33] Otherwise, “[i]f Internet users could be stripped of that anonymity by a civil subpoena enforced under the liberal rules of civil discovery, this would have a significant chilling effect on Internet communications and thus on basic First Amendment rights.” [34]
By Kerry and Einy
[1] http://www.archives.gov/exhibits/charters/bill_of_rights_transcript.html
[2] “Speech.” The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language Fourth Edition 2000.
Dictionary.com. 19 April 2006. http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=speech
[3] Areopagitica: a Speech for the Liberty of Unlicensed Printing to the Parliament of England
[4] Salman Rushdie, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie
[5] US History Encyclopedia: Pamphleteering http://www.answers.com/topic/pamphlet
[6] George Orwell, (”Introduction”, in George Orwell and Reginald Reynolds, eds., British Pamphleteers):
[7] [Pamphlet From the Hutchinson Encyclopedia of World History. © Research Machines plc [2006] All
Rights Reserved, Helicon Publishing is a division of Research Machines.]
[8] [Myles Davis, Icon Libellorum (1715), as quoted in H.L. Mencken, A New Dictionary of Quotations
on historical principles from Ancient and Modern Sources 883 (Knopf ed. 1991) (1942).]
[9] Bernard Bailyn’s “The Ideological Origins of the American Revolution”. published in 1967,
[10] [Robert C. Berring, Deconstructing the Law Library: The Wisdom of Meredith Willson,
89 Minn. L. Rev. 1381, 1405 (2005)].
[11] And as the Supreme Court stated in Talley v. California, 362 U.S. 60, 64 (1960):
[12] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pseudonymity
[13] (Abrams v. United States, [250 U.S. 616, 630 (1919) (Holmes, J., dissenting)]).
[14] New York v. Duryea, 76 Misc. 2d 948, 966-967, 351 N. Y. S. 2d 978, 996 (1974)
[15] First Nat. Bank of Boston v. Bellotti, 435 U.S. 765 (1978)
[16] McIntyre v. Ohio Elections Comm’n, 514 U.S. 334, 342 (1995)
[17] Columbia Insurance Co. v. Seescandy.com, 185 F.R.D. 573, 578 (N.D. Cal. 1999).
[18] Freedom of speech, From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_speech
[19] Justice Louis Brandeis opined in Whitney v. California in 1927,
[20] Abrams v. United States, 250 U.S. 616, 630-31 (1919) (Holmes, J., dissenting).
[21] Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U.S. 844 (1997)
[22] Reno v. American Civil Liberties Union, 521 U.S. 844 (1997)
[23] ACLU v. Johnson, 4 F. Supp. 2d 1029, 1033 (D.N.M. 1998), aff’d, 194 F.3d 1149 (10th Cir. 1999)
[24] re Subpoena Duces Tecum to America Online, Inc., 52 Va. Cir. 26, 34 (Va. Cir. 2000)
[25] America Online, Inc. v. Anonymous Publicly Traded Co., 2001 Va. LEXIS 38 (Va. S. Ct., Mar. 2, 2001)
[26] Citizens Aginst Rent Control/Coalition for Fair Housing v. City of Berkeley, 454 U.S. 290, 294 (1981):
[27] NAACP v. Alabama, 357 U.S. 449, 466 (1958)
[28] Gibson v. Florida Legislative Investigation Committee, 372 U.S. 539, 558 (1963)
[29] http://www.eff.org/issues/anonymity
[30] http://w2.eff.org/Censorship/SLAPP/20020711_eff_pr.html
[31] Dendrite International, Inc. v. Doe No. 3, 775 A.2d 756, 771 (N.J. Super. A.D. 2001).
[32] Sony Music Entertainment v. Does, 326 F.Supp.2d 556, 565 (S.D.N.Y. 2004).
[33] Doe v. 2themart.com Inc., 140 F. Supp. 2d 1088, 1097 (W.D. Wash. 2001).
[34] 2theMart.com, at 1093 http://ilt.eff.org/index.php/Speech:_Anonymity
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August 26th, 2008 at 10:37 pm
I want to be one of those IDIOTS on TMZ that goes…….
First!
August 26th, 2008 at 10:40 pm
Me too. 2ND!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 26th, 2008 at 10:43 pm
This is like being at the Library when it is put all together this way
I should throw the hair up in a bun!
August 26th, 2008 at 10:49 pm
Damn 3rd.
Very nice ladies.
Thanks for the hard work put into that one.
August 26th, 2008 at 11:12 pm
Einy, you are unbelievable at putting research together. I applaud you the way it turned out.
I love the way the research on this looks and QV, the Constitution on the top is incredible.
Great Team Work!
August 26th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Dang I’m a bit chilly.
August 26th, 2008 at 11:40 pm
einy Says:
August 26th, 2008 at 11:24 pm
Dang I’m a bit chilly.
put a sweater on!
August 26th, 2008 at 11:57 pm
So in other words with this Freedom Of speech, I could stand in front of the White House in Washington D.C. and yell ‘President Bush is a bastard!’ and nothing would be done to me.” Right?
I bet Cubans could get away with that too.
Speaking of Bush, Anyone watching the DNC?
Hilary is going on tonight!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:05 am
Kerry you could say that as long as you have an in with the Secret Service.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:06 am
Kerry I also wished that we could have gotten to be friends during this whole thing. I like you but I can’t stand einy.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:08 am
JoJo, einy can be a little snotty but once you get passed it, she is not bad in small doses. LMAO!!!
You know I love you einy!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:10 am
Well Kerry you must have the patience of a Saint. Please QV don’t remove my comment,I didn’t mean anything bad.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:12 am
Yeah JoJo everyone loves Kerry until they have to travel to the Bahamas with her. I needed intensive therapy after that.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:13 am
see what I mean about her snottiness!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:13 am
I was diagnosed with Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome
August 27th, 2008 at 12:17 am
That all right no offense taken. I have thick skin.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:18 am
Post-Traumatic Stress Syndrome
According to those legal experts on Topic’s, you may have a lawsuit.Have your fake lawyer call my fake laywer.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:19 am
What is your fake lawyers name?
August 27th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Kerry,
I’m sure you could yell “President Bush is a dry drunk!” because he is.
I don’t think he’s a bastard in the literal sense.
Great article ladies - Einy, your brain is HUGE!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:22 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:19 am
What is your fake lawyers name?
Boyd Schidtt esq.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Raise your hands if you would like to see Kerry being handcuffed and dragged off by the Secret Service.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:23 am
Yes I know Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:21 am
Kerry,
I’m sure you could yell “President Bush is a dry drunk!” because he is.
I don’t think he’s a bastard in the literal sense.
Great article ladies - Einy, your brain is HUGE!
it matches her sweater and her ego!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:24 am
Ok, you leave me no choice but to be the dumbass that is #50 & still hollers “I’M FIRST!!!!”.
I’M FIRST I TELL YA!
Great article Einy & QV!
You girls need to write a book on the saga.
I love how you put it all together & make it so simple to understand.
All of your article’s here & at Red’s have refreshed my memory on things I had forgotten.
Keep it coming!!!!!
Thanks to QV for allowing them to post it!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:24 am
OMG
I think his brother
Richard Schidtt Esq. his my attorney.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:25 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:22 am
Raise your hands if you would like to see Kerry being handcuffed and dragged off by the Secret Service.
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I bet everyone over that other site are raising their hands.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:25 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:24 am
OMG
I think his brother
Richard Schidtt Esq. his my attorney.
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I know Dick, he is huge!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:27 am
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I know Dick, he is huge!
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I know that’s why I use him.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:28 am
Einy, some future President is missing the boat by not having you as his/her speech writer. To both Kerry and Einy, this is a fine piece of work.
Lin Wood thought the might of his name alone would be enough to control the theories, speculation, and postulation on what happened to Anna and Daniel, and Howie’s part in it all.
Most of us use Steve Thomas as the measure of how limited Wood is in smothering our right to free speech by threats of suits. Steve Thomas continues to voice his opinions on who he believes Killed Jonbenet, and his book is still selling. Take heart Justice seekers. Free speech is alive and well on every forum except 320 Sycamore. There posters are banned if the discuss the deaths of Daniel and Anna.
I say it is impossible to discuss or debate ANY of the suits without discussing those deaths. If Anna and Daniel were still alive, none of these suits would be ongoing except for the Marshall matter.
Thanks QV for allowing this post on your site. Great work all!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:29 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:27 am
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I know Dick, he is huge!
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I know that’s why I use him.
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I learned this********
over on Greta wire all the cool girls do it.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:33 am
Carole
I don’t know if you remember how many times we were threatened in the beginning on TMZ, after the “Letter” from Lin Wood.
It was constant. Do you think that was his intent when he wrote and published it?
August 27th, 2008 at 12:34 am
See Kerry I always knew that you were one of the “cool girls”.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:35 am
JoJo Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:34 am
See Kerry I always knew that you were one of the “cool girls”.
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I try!!
August 27th, 2008 at 12:43 am
August 27th, 2008 at 12:25 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 12:24 am
OMG
I think his brother
Richard Schidtt Esq. his my attorney.
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I know Dick, he is huge!
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I know Dick too. How did you see he is huge? I thought I only seen Dick and now you claim to have seen him. Well then I want to be first.
what a wonderful article girls and QV thanks so much for the site to come to for me to read.
I am sick of being intimadited too. I had about quit this saga because there is so much disagreement. But I love what you wrote and am sticking it out.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:46 am
I am raising my hand but it isn’t for Einy or Kerry it is for who ever was responsible for Annas and Daniels death. ****
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August 27th, 2008 at 12:56 am
Yes, thanks for the wonderful article Kerry and Einy. Very informative
August 27th, 2008 at 1:01 am
Hello Ladies, thank you all for all of the hard work and thought that goes into these projects, and all that you do. Thank you for laying it all out in laymens’ terms…
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
I want a fake lawyer too :o)
Hey has anyone ever googled Lin Wood and Chilling Effect. He protests against it but uses it himself. I guess thats a lawyer for ya.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Great article and sums it up well. In my opinion no one should be afraid of the other side’s terrorist like threats lately either. The other article really summed it up for me too what they have been up to from the beginning and it puts together a lot of pieces for me. Thanks for making things a lot more clearer.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Some more information
http://www.chillingeffects.org/
August 27th, 2008 at 1:11 am
Yes Whack. We gotta keep asking and asking. I did not see too much commentary about that head stone. It appears a large one is not allowed in the Baha’s. So wonder what the deal is with that? Oooops, wrong thread. Wrong article.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:15 am
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:08 am
Great article and sums it up well. In my opinion no one should be afraid of the other side’s terrorist like threats lately either. The other article really summed it up for me too what they have been up to from the beginning and it puts together a lot of pieces for me. Thanks for making things a lot more clearer.
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I agree with you and I hope both sides can debate this issue or other issues like adults.
I hope the other side will come on here and debate with us.
I would love to hear what they think and what they have to say.
People can have different opinions and still show enough class to carry a conversation.
Also, I hope this brings back some fun and a few laughs.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Whack A Mole Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers
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Great post Whack, I think all of us feel that way and would hand over our hard drives. They have been threatening us for too long and the game they play is always the same. Scare Tactic at its best. They tried to silence us, it did not work then and it will not work now.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:28 am
Bumble Bee Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
I want a fake lawyer too :o)
Hey has anyone ever googled Lin Wood and Chilling Effect. He protests against it but uses it himself. I guess thats a lawyer for ya.
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Hire Opri, Larry said she is free of charge.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Whack A Mole Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers.
I agree Whack and I believe what they are doing on Topix lately can get them in a lot of trouble. I think you cannot instill fear and terror into people like that. Kerry is right when she states that people can still debate without all this nonsense. Jill from Australia on Red’s site is a perfect example of someone having their own opinion but not being into that cult-like think.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:46 am
Dee
I’m so glad that you didn’t give up. I know so many of us have thrown our hands up and just walked away. I stopped posting and even reading for months because I was disgusted with how things were being done. I think those that remain are the type of people who do not react well to bullies and threats.
I am so glad that QV opened this thread up again for all of us to post our thoughts and opinions with being constantly threatened and spammed.
I learned a lot researching this article and QV has part II ready to go.
It deals with the whole harvesting of our personal information.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:47 am
Bumble Bee
The great thing about fake lawyers is that you can pay them in monopoly money.
August 27th, 2008 at 1:54 am
Heck, I disagee with most people that they claim are on “the team”, but that’s all right. Sometimes I can convince them and other times they convince me.
Except Whack, who won’t be nice to me about Obama.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:00 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:54 am
Heck, I disagee with most people that they claim are on “the team”, but that’s all right. Sometimes I can convince them and other times they convince me.
Except Whack, who won’t be nice to me about Obama.
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We were never a “Team” we were goofy idiots posting having fun on TMZ!
August 27th, 2008 at 2:01 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:47 am
Bumble Bee
The great thing about fake lawyers is that you can pay them in monopoly money.
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We could also set up a “Fake” paypal account.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:03 am
Is Hilary on yet, I do not want ot miss her
August 27th, 2008 at 2:06 am
Kerry,
Don’t you just love Hillary?
I sure do.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:06 am
Hilary is on at 10:30 so I am off to get ready for bed.. I want to see what she has to say.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:08 am
JoJo Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 2:06 am
Kerry,
Don’t you just love Hillary?
I sure do.
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I am a democrate so I am going with my party but I do admire Hilary….they are saying she is throwing her support to Obama!
August 27th, 2008 at 2:08 am
We could also set up a “Fake” paypal account.
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If it’s fake I’ll pitch in a couple of mil.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:09 am
Although, I have voted Republican a few times.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:10 am
einy Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 2:08 am
We could also set up a “Fake” paypal account.
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If it’s fake I’ll pitch in a couple of mil.
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I am still only giving 35.00 dollars, I am saving my fake mil.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Kerry Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Whack A Mole Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers
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Great post Whack, I think all of us feel that way and would hand over our hard drives. They have been threatening us for too long and the game they play is always the same. Scare Tactic at its best. They tried to silence us, it did not work then and it will not work now.
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Ditto…I would love to see Rose, Ken’s, Art’s, Lyndal’s and a few others hard drives.
That day can’t happen soon enough.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:24 am
Makes u go hmmm Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Kerry Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Whack A Mole Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers
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Great post Whack, I think all of us feel that way and would hand over our hard drives. They have been threatening us for too long and the game they play is always the same. Scare Tactic at its best. They tried to silence us, it did not work then and it will not work now.
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Ditto…I would love to see Rose, Ken’s, Art’s, Lyndal’s and a few others hard drives.
That day can’t happen soon enough.
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Well, I guess the truth will come out in court. I am with ya though!
Hillary did great!
Now I am up way past my bedtime again!
Good night everyone.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:42 am
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:36 am
Whack A Mole Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers.
I agree Whack and I believe what they are doing on Topix lately can get them in a lot of trouble. I think you cannot instill fear and terror into people like that. Kerry is right when she states that people can still debate without all this nonsense. Jill from Australia on Red’s site is a perfect example of someone having their own opinion but not being into that cult-like think.
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Jill was banned from Roses because she doesn’t like Howard. She doesn’t like Virgie either. I am not standing up for her but just to let you know what happened.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:45 am
Makes u go hmmm Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Kerry Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Whack A Mole Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers
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Great post Whack, I think all of us feel that way and would hand over our hard drives. They have been threatening us for too long and the game they play is always the same. Scare Tactic at its best. They tried to silence us, it did not work then and it will not work now.
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Ditto…I would love to see Rose, Ken’s, Art’s, Lyndal’s and a few others hard drives.
That day can’t happen soon enough.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:48 am
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 4:45 am
Makes u go hmmm Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 2:23 am
Kerry Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:21 am
Whack A Mole Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 1:07 am
Wonderful article girls! Thank you! Most of us long term bloggers are really fed up with being threatened with this and accused of that. I would gladly throw open my computer for inspection, as long as I can use it later that night for homework. I’ve never done anything or said anything I’m ashamed of, and I’m tired of having some group try to scare posters away. The goal is to silence anyone who doesn’t feel the way they do. I’ve tried a couple of times today to return to the topic, only to be greeted by the same nasty people that have been making the threats. They don’t like Topix the way it is, but they will do nothing to make it better. Their goal is to inflame it even more. I have nothing to sue for, and I’ve done nothing to warrant any action. Do I worry about it? No. My records and what I’ve saved from the web are all I need. Please don’t let them silence any questions or debate. Nothing will ever happen in this case if they silence the very people asking the questions they don’t like. Continue to stand up and ask the questions and demand answers
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Great post Whack, I think all of us feel that way and would hand over our hard drives. They have been threatening us for too long and the game they play is always the same. Scare Tactic at its best. They tried to silence us, it did not work then and it will not work now.
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Ditto…I would love to see Rose, Ken’s, Art’s, Lyndal’s and a few others hard drives.
That day can’t happen soon enough
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I want to see them get butterbutts. The 10 years of emails that have been taken. How can you have 10 years emails on your pc. That was windows 95 or 98 and everthing had to be changed to get XP.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:51 am
Hello Mr. Wood greetings and hope you feel welcome here on this great site.
August 27th, 2008 at 5:12 am
Wonderful article ladies!!!
August 27th, 2008 at 5:16 am
This beautiful article brought me to tears. Freedom of speech…My passion! Thank you so very much for writing it. It has inspired me to fight with every bit of my being to be able to express my opinion. This is a small fish in the sea of oppression. If our right to express ourselves in this matter is oppressed what will happen when one wants to express themselves about any matter.
Our forefathers gave up their lives valiantly fighting for our rights to express ourselves. This is something I will fight for. No matter what it takes. I have been threatened with a “bullit” with my name on it, I have been ridiculed for talking about personal matters, I have had my personal information splashed across the world wide web. I have had harassing phone calls. All to stifle my opinion on the deaths of Anna Nicole and Daniel Wayne Smith. I have seen folks with the same opinion as mine harassed daily and constantly in an attempt to shut us all up.
Enough is Enough!
It is time for all good bloggers to come to the aide of their country. I am ready to burn my bra, shred my draft card, march to the federal court house, chain myself to a tree and have a sit in.
I am a blogger expressing my opinion at a site designed to express my opinion and for you to express your opinion even if it differs from mine. I will stand up for your right to express yourself as well as mine.
Thank you again for this inspiring article.
August 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Great Article Kerry & Einy, and thanks QV for giving them a place to put it. It’s great to see things in one place and complete and easy to read. I too have no problem ever showing my hard drive and what I find most interesting is that the only ones that seem to have “lost” data or had their computers stolen are those from Rose’s site. Freedom of Speech is a very important part of what our country is all about and I for one will not allow it to be stifled or threatened by people who do not like to hear what I have to say. Wood is the king at trying to do that by threats of lawsuits, wonder if Wood himself can be sued for threatening the rights of people to speak what is on their mind?
August 27th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
I enjoyed this article and greatly appreciate the time and effort and intelligent thought and research put into creating it! THANK YOU for sharing this with us all. This is a central and very important issue that all sides can support and not knit pick apart or criticize individual bloggers for. Thank you again to the authors of this article and to QV for providing the place to read it.
August 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
68th
A little late, but been busy lately..
Great article QV…
August 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Jill was banned from Roses because she doesn’t like Howard. She doesn’t like Virgie either. I am not standing up for her but just to let you know what happened.
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Everyone has a right to voice their opinion and if it differs from ours or anyone. That is what is great about Free Speech.
I hope nobody is scared to voice their opinions here.
It is a free country and you do not have to agree with us to blog with us.
Although, I do request that you have a sense of humor. LOL
August 27th, 2008 at 2:54 pm
RoseSpanks Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pm
68th
A little late, but been busy lately..
Great article QV…
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Better than being 69 LOL
August 27th, 2008 at 3:09 pm
Kerry Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 2:53 pm
Jill was banned from Roses because she doesn’t like Howard. She doesn’t like Virgie either. I am not standing up for her but just to let you know what happened.
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Everyone has a right to voice their opinion and if it differs from ours or anyone. That is what is great about Free Speech.
I hope nobody is scared to voice their opinions here.
It is a free country and you do not have to agree with us to blog with us.
Although, I do request that you have a sense of humor. LOL
Oh I agree with you here. I love Virgie.
It is so much fun here. Seems odd to be able to laugh when we post here.
August 27th, 2008 at 3:20 pm
Heres what the chillin affect did to me, I was able to come to a site like this and have some fun.
Two dogs named Bob and Steve noticed no one else was wearing a collar. suddenly they realized they were in a stray bar.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Well, now that we are voicing our opinions. I must say I do not like Hillary! Ever since she made some comment about stay at home moms baking cookies I have had a problem with her. I happened to be a stay at home mom at the time and you all know how I feel about baking cookies! rofl
Love ya, all! Have a great day speaking your mind! I feel a cookie recipe coming on!
Hi Lin Wood! How ya like the article? I bet there is a few gems in it you could use.
August 27th, 2008 at 4:34 pm
[QUOTE who="Stop the madness"]
We will see how great you think it all is when they get served. It’s not nice to try to ruin lives. [/QUOTE]
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I go to one site and they squawk no one has ever threatened you. Well, let me tell you one thing. I have not inserted myself into this thing and could have a long time ago. If you bring me in I will come with all of my glory and there will be no stopping the snowball rolling down the hill!
Who’s lives have I tried to destroy…NO ONES!
Who dug up dirt on the grieving grandmother and mother and splashed it across the universe…YOU!
Who dug up dirt on witnesses splashed trash across the World Wide Web…YOU!
Who broke ever ethical law imaginable…YOU!
Who’s name is on the prescriptions…YOURS!
Who made sure Anna had the drugs she wanted…YOU!
Who ruined lives????? DEAD is about as ruined as you can get!
I have posted facts! I have posted only that which has been available to me via the Internet! I have voiced my opinion on sites that were designed to express opinions.
I haven’t ruined any one’s life. If any one’s life is ruined they did it to them self by their own horrid actions!
I HAVE HAD IT WITH THESE GOONS AND THEIR THREATS!
August 27th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Mrs Marple Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 4:00 pm
Well, now that we are voicing our opinions. I must say I do not like Hillary! Ever since she made some comment about stay at home moms baking cookies I have had a problem with her. I happened to be a stay at home mom at the time and you all know how I feel about baking cookies! rofl
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Well, a stay at home MOM is the hardest working woman in the world!
August 27th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Very well done Ladies !!!
There is always more to the story when the truth is brought to light.
I think it amazing all the underhanded and nasty vile motives that have resulted in physical actions that leave us all baffled.
None of us gain from the bantering with idiots. All anyone should want is the FACTS & TRUTH of what happened to Anna & Daniel. EVERYONE should want Dannielynn to have the BEST childhood ever, a small token of what has been done to her fate before she had a choice.
Thank you again Ladies for putting a worthwhile discussion together that is not mucked up with bs and mind games.
Take Care
Xo C.
August 27th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
amen to that Kerry !!
Hiya Mrs M your previous post brought tears to MY eys !!
Let me know when the bra burning begins, maybe the smoke will allow the TRUTH & FACTS come to light
August 27th, 2008 at 5:39 pm
Havana Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 5:35 pm
amen to that Kerry !!
Hiya Mrs M your previous post brought tears to MY eys !!
Let me know when the bra burning begins, maybe the smoke will allow the TRUTH & FACTS come to light
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Hey how are you Havana?
Nice to see you here.
August 27th, 2008 at 5:42 pm
….and pssssssssssssst to the peekers and idiots and of course Mr Wood.
YES it is me, the threats and ignorant moves made against me & MY “F*&^ing” FAMILY
STOPS HERE !!!!!!!!!!
I walked away just for you, I shut my mouth just for you, I tried to ignore the TRUTH just for you. And what I got inreturn from you idiots was BS, not only in the REAL WORLD (that some must forget what intails but online as well)
So guess what, BITE ME !!!
COME GET ME and LEARN A THING OR TWO.. I HAVE NOTHING TO HIDE AND I AM ASHAMED OF NOTHING .. WHY?? BECAUSE I DID NOTHING WRONG !!!
And btw that threat of a knock at my door, DIDNT HAPPEN !!!
Wonder why … afraid of what I would say
The BULLYING STOPS, and like Rose says “YOU CAN TAKE THAT TO THE BANK”
I apologize Von, I have tried for too long to stay clear, and hope the residue of this bs would wash away. But we both know it doesnt.
It is high time that the REAL TRUTH comes out and I thank you for allowing others to use this avenue and have a VOICE in this.
I hope my commenting on YOUR site does not bring more stress to you. I value your FRIENDSHIP too much to hurt you. As friends we may not AGREE but in the end we are able and mature enough to RESPECT each other… So please, delete MY comments if need be. THANK YOU
August 27th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
hey Kerry ((hug))
I just wrote a HUGE MO’FO COMMENT and the spammer fawking got it
August 27th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
Havana Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 5:34 pm
Very well done Ladies !!!
There is always more to the story when the truth is brought to light.
I think it amazing all the underhanded and nasty vile motives that have resulted in physical actions that leave us all baffled.
None of us gain from the bantering with idiots. All anyone should want is the FACTS & TRUTH of what happened to Anna & Daniel. EVERYONE should want Dannielynn to have the BEST childhood ever, a small token of what has been done to her fate before she had a choice.
Thank you again Ladies for putting a worthwhile discussion together that is not mucked up with bs and mind games.
Take Care
Xo C.
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games like these?………..
Waiting for the spin
Another nice one to fo into the ever growing file. Been served yet Red. Kerry and Einy, your papers came yet?
You would think I, einy or Red would be notified before them?
Oh well, they are still trying to silence us. I give them an A for effort.
By the way for the game players out there,if and when I ever did get served I would cooperate. SO your little scare tactics do not scare me.
August 27th, 2008 at 5:46 pm
Havana Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
hey Kerry ((hug))
I just wrote a HUGE MO’FO COMMENT and the spammer fawking got it
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In that little box thing?
I have done that before because I added up the addition problems wrong LMAO!!
August 27th, 2008 at 5:54 pm
no no no
on here
QV will have to go into the mod box on the tools for this page and get it and permit it to be “published” … unless someone else here has those “powers” it might be a bit …
August 27th, 2008 at 6:08 pm
POWERFUL article!!!
A nice alternative to the RED X is to learn (albiet — force yourself) to IGNORE.
The work alone that went into creating this article deserves an A-Plus.
August 27th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
The best article yet guys. Oh by the way topix went down. It is off the net.
August 27th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
The best article yet guys. Oh by the way topix went down. It is off the net.
Geez I thought I was banned. LOL!
August 27th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
The best article yet guys. Oh by the way topix went down. It is off the net.
Geez I thought I was banned. LOL!
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Good lets hope it stays gone and we can all blog right here.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:00 pm
I ask, could a conspiracy to defame Howard K. Stern have its roots in a forum in which no organized discussion about the subject takes place? I denounced Trainwreck’s forum for its lack of ANY purposeful discussion related to the recent lawsuits as well as its lack of focus on Stern, indicating that the forum had become no place to discuss other any of the relevant cases and the parties involved in the aforementioned.
Should ANYONE dare accuse ANY member of Trainwreck’s forum of conspiring to defame Stern, Rose, or any other individual, I will testify in court that NO SUCH THING has ever occurred.
Moreover, should anyone dare allege that members of Trainwreck’s forum — Virgie supporters all — have been sanctioned by Ms. Arthur herself, thus implying that Ms. Arthur is involved in blogging, I will similarly testify in court that no such relationship between Ms. Arthur and Trainwreck’s forum exists, for this is the basis upon which Rose, Wood and Stern are building their defense.
Finally, and perhaps most germane, is the act of listing the email addresses on Topix has been sanctioned as a “good act” by Rose Turner. She congratulated me for doing it. The lack of admonition from Ms. Turner speaks volumes. I will gladly testify in court that there was no intentional breach of Rose’s website and the information culled from Google’s cached pages was never gathered for nefarious purposes.
Steps needed to be taken to protect Trainwreck’s forum and its members. Steps needed to be taken to protect Ms. Arthur. My right to take these steps as well as the efficacy of having done so will be subjects of debate among Virgie supporters and Stern supporters alike.
Nevertheless, Stern’s potential for filing a counterclaim of conspiracy to defame him has essentially withered away before our very eyes. Nelda’s attempt to label Trainwreck’s forum and its members as co-conspirators has similarly been wiped out by her own actions in response to mine.
I will NEVER be a Sternie.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:08 pm
Havana, comment ‘magically’ appeared!
August 27th, 2008 at 7:21 pm
Targets, thank you for clearing that up for everyone. I don’t think anyone thought that you were doing what you were accused of and have now denounced. Just more propaganda. But its not working for them and never will.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:22 pm
Thanks Dove.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:28 pm
Kerry Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 6:59 pm
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 6:42 pm
Anonymous Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 6:35 pm
The best article yet guys. Oh by the way topix went down. It is off the net.
Geez I thought I was banned. LOL!
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Good lets hope it stays gone and we can all blog right here.
Yeah who wants to hear from every other post from the other side that the FBI is coming after us, LOL!
August 27th, 2008 at 7:30 pm
Havana,
Thanks for coming on here and sharing your thoughts and feelings on this subject. We hope to continue this line of thought over the next weeks. I think there are a lot of “victims” in all of this. Perhaps too many of us were a bit naive when it came to skilled manipulators.
Targets,
I am truly sorry that things degenerate to the point that they did. I hope at some point that everyone involved will be able to get beyone the slights of the moment. One thing that Whack said that always stuck with me was that getting anyone from our supposed side to do anything was like “herding cats”. I have to admit that is one of the reason I respect so many people that have been involved. They are strong, independent voices - and though I get frustrated and even angry - I always walk away with a smile in the end because I admire that spirit.
As for bra burning,
Well I have to admit that I’d be hard pressed to find one to burn these days. All I know is that I struggled too hard for too long to be told to sit in the corner and be quiet.
That said, I really hope that we can at least come together to discuss some of the important issues that our involvement has raised.
You guys are the best examples of what Free Independent Speech means to this country and how much of a cherished right it is.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:35 pm
Hi All my Friends
Hope all is well today! This is a great article. Thank you gals for taking the time to put it together and posting it.
Oh yeah *waves* hi woodys office staff.
August 27th, 2008 at 7:43 pm
QV,
I don’t know what happened. I wrote a long post and it went into cyberspace. LOL
August 27th, 2008 at 7:46 pm
Its here now Einy, It got caught. Thanks!! Great comment!
August 27th, 2008 at 8:29 pm
Targets, thanks for clearing that up.
We never professed Train’s Hangout to be a place to gather to conspire against any of the bunch.
I think it is another case of thinking we are guilty of what THEY are doing.
They don’t understand that our side has formed real friendships during this saga & genuinely care for one another as human beings.
The hags wouldn’t know compassion if it hit them upside their ugly heads.
They are a sad & souless bunch…just like Howard K. $tern.
August 27th, 2008 at 8:53 pm
Thanks QV and thanks Einy.
Nelda and Stern (and their minions) have been doing all they can to paint us as conspirators and I hope that the extreme steps I (in particular) took to open the flood gates finally makes it clear to the idiots that they don’t have a leg to stand on.
This article that you just published couldn’t have come at a better time. It shows how we are able to make our points of opinion WITHOUT being labeled as defamers.
In exposing the contentious atmosphere behind the scenes at Trainwreck’s forum, I hope I have proven once and for all that there is absolutely NO ORGANIZED EFFORT TO DEFAME anyone — not Stern, not Turner, and certainly not any of their aficionados.
One Stern supporter has essentially said it for us: “None of you can even make up your minds or agree about anything. How can we possibly believe anything your side says?” To that person, “Thank you!” We (since that person calls upon us collectively) may come down on the same side of the fence, but the chances of a conspiracy existing among us is just plain impossible.
The defense strategy launched here as a trial balloon by Stern, Nelda and Wood has fallen flat, defeated and deflated. Over the last few weeks, it has come out as a matter of natural course that there is no connection between bloggers, forums, or otherwise and Ms. Arthur. There is no organized effort on the part of members of Trainwreck’s forum to defame anyone. There was no intentional breach of Rose’s website by Red or any other party affiliated with Trainwreck’s forum.
Every single one of the factors upon which Stern, Nelda, and Wood were going to build their defense (and further smear Ms. Arthur) has been summarily exposed as wishful thinking.
I would like to also take this opportunity to remind Red that culling information off the internet is not against the law. It is THE PURPOSE TO WHICH THAT INFORMATION IS USED that is the point of legal examination. Red has broken NO LAWS in that respect because the intention behind collecting the information was not to harm anyone. Should ANYONE wish to file a frivolous suit because the list exists, I will testify on behalf of Red on the following points:
1. The list was forwarded to me and after I posted it, I learned that most members of Trainwreck’s forum never even knew the list existed; therefore, Red did NOT make it universally available.
2. Red kept the list private and only turned it over to me because she believed:
a. She could trust me to keep it private;
b. She could trust me not to use the list for nefarious purposes.
August 27th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Results Say Body Was Decomposing In Anthony’s Trunk
POSTED: 3:28 pm EDT August 27, 2008
UPDATED: 4:13 pm EDT August 27, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. — Much-anticipated results from the University of Tennessee Body Farm reveal that a body was decomposing in the trunk of Casey Anthony, mother of missing 3-year-old, Caylee, according to a source in law enforcement.
On Aug. 10, air sample tests were taken from taken Anthony’s trunk and sent to the facility by the Orange County Sheriff’s Office.
The Body Farm is a place where human corpses are left to the elements, and every manner of decay is fully explored.
http://www.wesh.com/news/17314603/detail.html
August 27th, 2008 at 9:38 pm
Off Topic Says:
August 27th, 2008 at 9:27 pm
Results Say Body Was Decomposing In Anthony’s Trunk
POSTED: 3:28 pm EDT August 27, 2008
UPDATED: 4:13 pm EDT August 27, 2008
ORLANDO, Fla. — Much-anticipated results from the University of Tennessee Body Farm reveal that a body was decomposing in the trunk of Casey Anthony, mother